Session Start: Tue Mar 19 19:16:19 2019 Session Ident: #ADF 25[2019-03-19 19:16:19] * Now talking in: #ADF 25[2019-03-19 19:16:19] * Owlhawk (Owlhawk@sorcery-t50kai.cable.rogers.com) joins #ADF 28[2019-03-19 19:16:19] * ChanServ changes topic to: Welcome to the chat for Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship (ADF). Find out more about us at http://www.adf.org 29[2019-03-19 19:16:19] * ChanServ sets mode: +r 29[2019-03-19 19:16:19] * #ADF has modes: +nrt 29[2019-03-19 19:16:19] * #ADF created on Tue Mar 19 19:16:21 2019 25[2019-03-19 19:51:27] * Rovena (rovena@sorcery-l41hs1.hnremote.net) joins #ADF 29[2019-03-19 19:51:35] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Rovena 16[2019-03-19 20:18:57] <@Rovena> Maybe I need to start sharing recipes 25[2019-03-19 20:28:34] * gaarik (Mibbit@sorcery-16efn0.res.rr.com) joins #ADF 16[2019-03-19 20:29:04] <@Rovena> Hello Gaarik 16[2019-03-19 20:29:16]  Hey, good evening, how are you? 16[2019-03-19 20:29:36] <@Rovena> Doing fine. And you? 16[2019-03-19 20:30:13]  Not terribly. Still dealing with the aftermath of my semi-annual sinus infection, but other than that, not bad at all. :) 16[2019-03-19 20:30:57] <@Rovena> Sinus infections are no fun 16[2019-03-19 20:31:17]  Eh, I'm used to it at this point. 25[2019-03-19 20:31:26] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) joins #ADF 16[2019-03-19 20:31:57] <@Rovena> Hello Star 16[2019-03-19 20:32:21] <@Rovena> Just because you are used to it doesn't make it any more fun. 16[2019-03-19 20:32:52]  Hello Rovena 16[2019-03-19 20:33:10]  How are you Rovena? 16[2019-03-19 20:33:24] <@Rovena> I'm doing fine. And you? 16[2019-03-19 20:34:55]  I’m doing very good 16[2019-03-19 20:36:43] <@Rovena> So, what do people have on their minds tonight? 16[2019-03-19 20:39:50]  Still trying to figure out something past "food." *grins* 16[2019-03-19 20:40:09]  I’m just dropping in to chat to see what everyone else is up to 16[2019-03-19 20:40:39] <@Rovena> Food is an important aspect of life. 16[2019-03-19 20:41:01] <@Rovena> A grovemate can't plan ritual until she has the menu worked out. 16[2019-03-19 20:42:13]  That's the way it used to be in our little worship group. My friend would sit with me and plan feast for hours. As a matter of fact, this is going to be our first rite where we're not hosting a feast of some kind. 16[2019-03-19 20:43:31] <@Rovena> No feast? That's when all the socializing happens. 16[2019-03-19 20:44:03]  True. Unfortunately, this is our first rite at a location other than a home, and time is limited. 16[2019-03-19 20:44:25]  I might encourage everyone to join us at the local diner after, if they can. 16[2019-03-19 20:44:33] <@Rovena> Understand that. 16[2019-03-19 20:44:43] <@Rovena> that is a good idea. 16[2019-03-19 20:45:31] <@Rovena> We're lucky to have the use of the U U church so we have a working kitchen (small but working) to use. 16[2019-03-19 20:45:36]  It's nice that there are a couple of good diners in the area, mom-and-pop places, as they say. 16[2019-03-19 20:45:53] <@Rovena> That's the best kind. 16[2019-03-19 20:46:06]  I get that. The UU church was another option, but a little too far out of our budgets here. 16[2019-03-19 20:46:56] <@Rovena> I am a member so we don't get charged anything though we make a donation anyway. 16[2019-03-19 20:47:11]  That's very cool. 16[2019-03-19 20:47:24] <@Rovena> I am 50% of their oofice staff and their newsletter editor so they are nice to us. 16[2019-03-19 20:47:59] <@Rovena> They have been very supportative of all the pagans groups that have asked to meet there over the years. 16[2019-03-19 20:49:40] <@Rovena> Their minister wants to start holding a "no-faith-tradition" rite on each solstice and equinox. She has asked me to help with it. 16[2019-03-19 20:50:25]  That sounds quite interesting. By "no-faith-tradition," do you mean a generally non-denominational pagan rite, or something else? 16[2019-03-19 20:51:51] <@Rovena> I think she is wanting a non-denominational rite. She has some members that want to do an "Earth based" rite. UUs with pagans leanings. 16[2019-03-19 20:52:31] <@Rovena> I am not sure that they really know what they want but I will try to help them figure it out 16[2019-03-19 20:53:09]  It sounds like a great relationship in the community. :) 16[2019-03-19 20:53:50] <@Rovena> It is. It has taken years to build up but most good things do take time. 27[2019-03-19 20:54:18] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 16[2019-03-19 20:54:51]  That they certainly do. 25[2019-03-19 20:59:16] * Drum (Drum@sorcery-k25.mvm.241.72.IP) joins #ADF 25[2019-03-19 20:59:24] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) joins #ADF 16[2019-03-19 20:59:27]  Hi! 16[2019-03-19 20:59:36]  Hello, All 16[2019-03-19 20:59:46] <@Rovena> Hello! 16[2019-03-19 20:59:55] <@Rovena> WB StarQuake 16[2019-03-19 20:59:57]  Hello, Star Quake! 16[2019-03-19 20:59:58]  Good evening! 16[2019-03-19 21:00:05]  Evening, gaarik 16[2019-03-19 21:00:15]  How is everyione? 16[2019-03-19 21:00:47] <@Rovena> Doing great. 16[2019-03-19 21:01:21]  Not bad. How about you? 16[2019-03-19 21:01:39]  Thank you 16[2019-03-19 21:01:52]  Hello Drum 16[2019-03-19 21:02:20]  I am o-k 16[2019-03-19 21:02:47]  Doing very well 16[2019-03-19 21:05:11] <@Rovena> You caught us in a bit of a lull. 16[2019-03-19 21:05:25] <@Rovena> We were discusiing our ritual plans 16[2019-03-19 21:09:47]  Well I am off to take a shower night everyone 27[2019-03-19 21:09:51] * StarQuake (Sol@sorcery-0jrli3.at.cox.net) has quit IRC (Quit: Igloo IRC: https://iglooirc.com) 16[2019-03-19 21:11:44] <@Rovena> Star left so fast, they maybe should be called Meteor. 16[2019-03-19 21:12:20]  ? Not sure the problem there. It's as easy as closing a window for me. 16[2019-03-19 21:13:02]  So... elections? Though I'll admit, I'm still kind of unsure as to what questions I really should be asking, in light of everything that's come up recently... 16[2019-03-19 21:13:12]  So what about ritual plans? 16[2019-03-19 21:13:45] <@Rovena> Do you have questions about the election process? 16[2019-03-19 21:14:12]  Yes, gaarik? What can I/we tell you? 16[2019-03-19 21:15:18]  Well, I guess, yeah. This will be the first election I've actually felt like I should vote in. 16[2019-03-19 21:15:33]  So yeah, I am kind of curious as to the process and all. 16[2019-03-19 21:16:10]  you mean the voting process? 16[2019-03-19 21:16:27] <@Rovena> Glad you fell you should be voting as it is important. 16[2019-03-19 21:16:38]  Agreed 16[2019-03-19 21:17:43] <@Rovena> What are you wanting to know. Start us somewhere and we can wander around it all. 16[2019-03-19 21:18:08]  Well, it's more, I feel that someone shouldn't vote unless they're educated in the situation/office being voted on. I didn't vote a whole lot in previous years, if memory serves, mostly because I didn't really understand the roles being voted on. 16[2019-03-19 21:18:20]  ah 16[2019-03-19 21:18:23]  I guess, the first question is, why the multiple votes? 16[2019-03-19 21:18:50]  It is a reward for continuous membership. Up to 10 votes 16[2019-03-19 21:18:54]  (i.e., I just saw on mine that I have "2 votes," which is the first time that's come up.) 16[2019-03-19 21:19:14]  Just a reward? Basically, "You're in it for this long, you have more say?" 16[2019-03-19 21:19:25]  You get one vote for every year you are a member up to 10 16[2019-03-19 21:19:55]  Isn't that consecutive, though? 16[2019-03-19 21:20:00]  yes 16[2019-03-19 21:20:29]  if you are here five years, leave for a year and come back, you have 1 vote again 16[2019-03-19 21:20:51] <@Rovena> A person who has been a member 5 years has more invested in the organization than someone who has just joined 16[2019-03-19 21:22:29]  I see. 16[2019-03-19 21:23:09] <@Rovena> It also allows you to split your vote between candidates. 16[2019-03-19 21:23:54] <@Rovena> If there are multiple people running for an office and you like two of them, you can give some votes to each. 16[2019-03-19 21:24:05]  *blink* Ah. So if you're torn or there are multiple good options, you can... Yeah, exactly. 16[2019-03-19 21:25:33]  Drum, you mentioned that the DP needs retooling... I'd really like to hear your specific opinions on how it would best be changed, if you don't mind saying. 16[2019-03-19 21:26:17]  not at all! thanbks for asking 16[2019-03-19 21:26:34]  I know it's a weird question, but it was brought up in the Candidate profiles, it's something I and my brother have been talking about a lot lately, and I'd like to hear the opinion of the person who (I'm pretty sure) approved my own Dedicant work. 16[2019-03-19 21:26:51]  Currently, the DP has to be turned in as one large work 16[2019-03-19 21:27:08]  I would like to have the option to turn in a section at a time 16[2019-03-19 21:27:33] <@Rovena> All the other study program do that. 16[2019-03-19 21:27:45] <@Rovena> It might not be so intimidating that way 16[2019-03-19 21:27:45]  This would allow people to see progress on their journey and say "I have done two sections and I have nine to go" 16[2019-03-19 21:28:01]  One could see progress 16[2019-03-19 21:28:12]  I think we need a better mentor program 16[2019-03-19 21:28:21]  for those that need one 16[2019-03-19 21:28:41]  We need to look at some of the sources listed and update them as well 16[2019-03-19 21:29:15]  I approved your work? 16[2019-03-19 21:29:21]  Yeah, I remember that I didn't use a couple of sources because they were so hard to get. 16[2019-03-19 21:29:29]  If memory serves, which it occasionally does. 16[2019-03-19 21:29:36]  :) 16[2019-03-19 21:29:38]  cool 16[2019-03-19 21:29:53]  I love doing DP reviews and I don't have many come my way these days 16[2019-03-19 21:30:07]  This would have been a while ago. 2009. 16[2019-03-19 21:30:50]  I'm currently trying to get my brother- and sister-by-choice to undertake the Dedicant Program. 16[2019-03-19 21:31:08]  If I can help, let me know 16[2019-03-19 21:31:26]  That offer is good, election or no election 16[2019-03-19 21:32:12]  Thanks, Drum. I think in my brother's case, it's mostly getting over some of his hang-ups. He had met Isaac shortly after Isaac stepped down as Archdruid, and has a few stories to tell about that. 16[2019-03-19 21:32:55]  They weren't flattering, so I think for a while, he was very hesitant about ADF. 16[2019-03-19 21:33:15]  I am sorry to hear that 16[2019-03-19 21:33:19]  I am not Isaac 16[2019-03-19 21:33:42]  True, why would that be an issue one way or another, though? 16[2019-03-19 21:34:08]  I am just saying that things have changed in ADF 16[2019-03-19 21:34:28]  I'm still not following. 16[2019-03-19 21:34:39]  *understanding, I mean. 16[2019-03-19 21:35:08]  Perhaps I misunderstood as well. 16[2019-03-19 21:35:43]  If your brother had problems with Isaac as AD, I am not that Archdruid 16[2019-03-19 21:35:50]  ADF has gone through quite a few changes since then 16[2019-03-19 21:35:51]  My brother loved his time with Isaac. The stories he tells aren't flattering of ADF and what it was becoming at the time, is what I mean. 16[2019-03-19 21:35:56]  *nod* 16[2019-03-19 21:36:02]  Sorry if I was unclear. 16[2019-03-19 21:36:23]  Sorry I if jumped to a conclusion 16[2019-03-19 21:36:33]  I joined because of Isaac 16[2019-03-19 21:36:36]  It's all good. 16[2019-03-19 21:36:58]  I really wish I had gotten to meet him. 16[2019-03-19 21:38:09]  He was a pivotal figure in modern neo-paganism 16[2019-03-19 21:38:42]  What else can I explain about the election? 16[2019-03-19 21:39:29]  Or what else can I answer for you? 16[2019-03-19 21:41:29]  Well, I have been going over the candidate answers concerning the election, trying to figure what is most important in what the AD has to do for the next 3 years. Actually, there's a big question that no one seemed to ask: Yeah, there's a lot that you mentioned you want to do over the next cycle, but... 16[2019-03-19 21:41:59]  What is it that you think is the most important to focus on as AD, if you had to choose one thing? 25[2019-03-19 21:44:18] * CaraNaDagda (CaraNa@sorcery-8k6gmh.mi.comcast.net) joins #ADF 16[2019-03-19 21:44:26]  Evening 16[2019-03-19 21:44:35] <@Rovena> Hello 16[2019-03-19 21:44:39] <@Rovena> How are you? 16[2019-03-19 21:44:51]  Doing well, and you? 16[2019-03-19 21:45:28] <@Rovena> Enjoying a couple of dry days before the next round of rain 16[2019-03-19 21:45:43]  Trying to figure out how to make it to wellspring 16[2019-03-19 21:46:03]  I think we need to reach out to members 16[2019-03-19 21:46:07] <@Rovena> I hope you can. 16[2019-03-19 21:46:16]  Sadly we get rain here in MIchigan tomorrow 16[2019-03-19 21:46:50] <@Rovena> We are expecting it SAturfay night and Sunday 16[2019-03-19 21:47:16]  We need to use technology to make people feel closer together and feel more a part of the whole 16[2019-03-19 21:47:24] <@Rovena> I promise I can spell perfectly Just can't type well 16[2019-03-19 21:47:28]  Hello, CaraNaDagda' 16[2019-03-19 21:47:45]  Agreed Drum let me know if I can help in any way and Hey 16[2019-03-19 21:47:56]  Forgive me for asking, Drum, but is the communication between members and the MG really that problematic? 16[2019-03-19 21:48:04]  *currently? 16[2019-03-19 21:48:05]  No 16[2019-03-19 21:48:49]  We have open communications with everyone in ADF and every member of the Mother Grove is willing to listen 16[2019-03-19 21:49:04]  and pass along information 16[2019-03-19 21:50:16]  Hello CaraNaDagda. Sorry, kind of wrapped up between multiple windows asking questions while I have Drum here. 16[2019-03-19 21:50:36]  There may be members that do not certain members of the Mother Grove, but I don't see that as communication problems 16[2019-03-19 21:50:50]  that do not care for... 16[2019-03-19 21:51:00]  IMHO there seems to be a disconnect between members. I rarely talk to others within the ADF. IRC Chats are ok but is a little old school 16[2019-03-19 21:51:13]  Okay, so are you talking more concerning feeling like a part of the organization, then? 16[2019-03-19 21:51:22]  Hey Gaarik 16[2019-03-19 21:51:25]  I think that is vital 16[2019-03-19 21:51:43]  I also want our members to see and understand our practice, what we do 16[2019-03-19 21:52:25]  Thats where I find an issue, Im only in my 2nd year but find it hard to connect even though I have a ProtoGrove within 2 hours of me 16[2019-03-19 21:53:05]  What do you recommend? 16[2019-03-19 21:53:07]  The only times that I have felt connected is when I have run into ADF members at Events 16[2019-03-19 21:53:53]  We use Discord for our Podcast and it seems to work quite well, its text and or Voice 16[2019-03-19 21:54:18]  We have been talking about Discord 16[2019-03-19 21:54:22]  Yeah, keeping connected to those in a Grove sometimes is rough. I have a medical condition that prevents me from driving; my only contact with the local grove here was when one of the folk who serves as senior druid passed. 16[2019-03-19 21:54:26]  Some groups do use it 16[2019-03-19 21:54:33]  Well, until recently. 16[2019-03-19 21:55:05]  My step child uses Discord and was telling me all about it recently 16[2019-03-19 21:55:31]  So your local grove is more in contact? That is good hopefully 16[2019-03-19 21:55:46] <@Rovena> I like the fact that I can see what was said when I wasn't in the room 16[2019-03-19 21:55:56]  Its super easy to set up and once that is done the chat kinda builds on itself 16[2019-03-19 21:56:19]  Drum: Well, it was a bit of doing to get to that point, felt like a lot of effort just to get that at the time. 16[2019-03-19 21:56:35]  Maybe you can educate me on it, CaraNaDagda 16[2019-03-19 21:56:42]  Rovena: I really like Discord for that, too. 16[2019-03-19 21:56:51]  Sure thing Drum anytime 16[2019-03-19 21:57:27]  Our podcast group is pretty much self sufficient now 18[2019-03-19 21:57:47]  I have to say that I am thankful for people like Owlhawk and Rovena to moderate these chats 16[2019-03-19 21:58:15]  You can even set up channels that are open to all and channels that are limited to Members only 16[2019-03-19 21:58:28]  Excellent 16[2019-03-19 21:58:42]  Did I answer your questions adequately, gaarik? 16[2019-03-19 21:59:00]  Yes, thank you. 16[2019-03-19 21:59:12]  Sorry to take up so much of your time. 16[2019-03-19 21:59:22] <@Rovena> No, taht is what chat is for 16[2019-03-19 21:59:30]  Oh my goodness, I am glad to! 16[2019-03-19 21:59:52]  If you have any more questions, email me, ping me on FB, or call me on the phone 16[2019-03-19 22:00:06]  Thanks, Drum. I appreciate it. 16[2019-03-19 22:00:41]  Thank you, gaarik 18[2019-03-19 22:00:42]  And thank you, Rovena and Owlhawk, for moderating these chats. I've really enjoyed every time I've been able to log on. 27[2019-03-19 22:00:48] * @Rovena (rovena@sorcery-l41hs1.hnremote.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 16[2019-03-19 22:00:51]  back to wellspring my biggest issue is its so close to Michigan Pagan Fest and that is sucking up most of my money 25[2019-03-19 22:00:58] * Rovena (rovena@sorcery-l41hs1.hnremote.net) joins #ADF 16[2019-03-19 22:00:59]  Oh, no! 29[2019-03-19 22:01:11] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Rovena 16[2019-03-19 22:01:35]  Yeah, I hear you there. I have to pick carefully which pagan gatherings I go to, as well. 16[2019-03-19 22:01:42]  Wellspring is a great festival and Stone Creed Grove, the hosts, are amazing 16[2019-03-19 22:02:16]  Im sure I just emailed to see if we could do just one day cause I cant do the whole thing 16[2019-03-19 22:03:04]  One day is a good introduction 16[2019-03-19 22:03:07]  If I dont make it I proxied my vote to you Drum 16[2019-03-19 22:04:15]  Thank you, Cara 16[2019-03-19 22:04:18]  Oh also I dont know if you saw but 3PaaC is now blogging on Patheos Agora Channel 16[2019-03-19 22:04:26]  :D 16[2019-03-19 22:06:16]  I did, congratulations 16[2019-03-19 22:06:56]  The goal is to have our own channel in 6 months or so according to Jason 16[2019-03-19 22:06:58]  SCG put on an amazing Wellspring last year, and Tredara is a beautiful place. 16[2019-03-19 22:07:17]  Yes, it is 16[2019-03-19 22:07:37]  Im super looking forward to it, and the wife is down to the Bridget Well 16[2019-03-19 22:08:27]  The Well is awesome 16[2019-03-19 22:08:55]  the 11 hours of driving is worrisome 16[2019-03-19 22:09:14]  that is a VERY long drive 16[2019-03-19 22:09:16] <@Rovena> That is something I understand 16[2019-03-19 22:09:23]  5.5 each way 16[2019-03-19 22:10:33]  I thought it was one way 16[2019-03-19 22:10:57]  not quite that bad but if I do it all in one day 16[2019-03-19 22:11:23]  Since I don't camp ever 16[2019-03-19 22:13:01]  I love the shrines 16[2019-03-19 22:13:07]  and the woods 16[2019-03-19 22:13:10]  and the people 16[2019-03-19 22:13:11]  and 16[2019-03-19 22:13:12]  and 16[2019-03-19 22:13:14]  ... 27[2019-03-19 22:13:15] * @Rovena (rovena@sorcery-l41hs1.hnremote.net) has quit IRC (Connection closed) 16[2019-03-19 22:13:20]  aww 16[2019-03-19 22:14:49]  and we are done I guess, Drum email me and ill give you the rundown on Discord 16[2019-03-19 22:15:15]  Have a good night, then, CaraNaDagda. 16[2019-03-19 22:15:50]  Thanks Gaarik nice to talk with you 26[2019-03-19 22:15:58] * CaraNaDagda (CaraNa@sorcery-8k6gmh.mi.comcast.net) parts #ADF 16[2019-03-19 22:16:58]  Will do! 16[2019-03-19 22:17:46]  Anything else I can help with, gaarik? 16[2019-03-19 22:18:27]  Nope, I think between those answers and reading through these responses, I think I know which way I want to go. I really appreciate it, Drum. 16[2019-03-19 22:19:10]  Thanks again 16[2019-03-19 22:19:31]  Let me know what I can do to help 16[2019-03-19 22:20:30]  Will do, certainly. 16[2019-03-19 22:20:56]  Well, I am off then. Have a good evening 16[2019-03-19 22:21:42]  You too. 16[2019-03-19 22:21:46]  Good night! 16[2019-03-19 22:21:47]  Can I ask you a question? 27[2019-03-19 22:23:09] * Drum (Drum@sorcery-k25.mvm.241.72.IP) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 16[2019-03-19 22:23:37]  Sure. 16[2019-03-19 22:24:03]  Oop, guess I missed him. 18[2019-03-19 23:00:57]  Owlhawk, thank you for moderating, and have a good night. 27[2019-03-19 23:01:01] * gaarik (Mibbit@sorcery-16efn0.res.rr.com) has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)